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Post by Jules on Apr 16, 2021 12:35:40 GMT
I've found at least one Toronto recording that DOES include "Change" but not "Pale Shelter"... but again, this doesn't sound like the same performance as on the box set.
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Post by iveivan on Apr 16, 2021 18:44:54 GMT
I attended the show at Manchester Apollo. Not sure it was April 3rd (setlist.com says there was another date) but the programme I had only lists April 3rd. The programme also has interesting facts like the address of the caterers, the bands favourite colours (Roland’s is French Blue) and their favourite fetish (I’m not kidding but their answers clearly are). They came on late and Roland joked it was because they had been watching Dallas. I remember they changed the ending of Pale Shelter to be an excerpt of the Dallas theme. It’s not on the recording in the video. so I would say the recording is either not from the Apollo show or I am misremembering. This is getting more and more interesting! For the record, that tour programme was reprinted as part of the Big Chair box set, so I have it. I guess since they played four nights at Massey Hall it's possible that the KBFH might have been recorded on another night (even the old vinyl wasn't all the same performances as the documentary - "Broken" is definitely not the same performance). Also interesting: Donyo's discography has a few releases which he credits to Manchester, but those do not include Pale Shelter! The programme I have from the tour is not the same as the facsimile in the SDE. I think the SDE programme must be based on an update to the programme produced later in the tour. It has different photos and a different forward, amongst other things. The setlist page also missed Pale Shelter in many cases. It’s got to be a mistake. |
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Post by Jules on Apr 17, 2021 18:30:07 GMT
This is getting more and more interesting! For the record, that tour programme was reprinted as part of the Big Chair box set, so I have it. I guess since they played four nights at Massey Hall it's possible that the KBFH might have been recorded on another night (even the old vinyl wasn't all the same performances as the documentary - "Broken" is definitely not the same performance). Also interesting: Donyo's discography has a few releases which he credits to Manchester, but those do not include Pale Shelter! The programme I have from the tour is not the same as the facsimile in the SDE. I think the SDE programme must be based on an update to the programme produced later in the tour. It has different photos and a different forward, amongst other things. The setlist page also missed Pale Shelter in many cases. It’s got to be a mistake. Right... I forgot all about that (haven't looked at the box in a while).  The programme in the box was made for the second leg of the tour, which included two new musicians (Alan Griffiths and Josephine Wells). Anyway, here's a link to a download of the radio broadcast, which seems to be the video I linked to on the previous page. www.guitars101.com/threads/tears-for-fears-1985-05-31-toronto-ontario-canada-flac-fm.668085/#post-3171315 |
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Post by humanracer on Jun 12, 2021 12:27:43 GMT
Here is a list of known non audience sourced live recordings. Please note I don't have all of these and some exist only in archives:
Regarding Manchester 85. There is an audience recording from Manchester which is different from the broadcast. So it's either from the second Manchester date or not Manchester at all. Wolfgang's Vault, which has the archives of King Biscuit, lists the venue as Hammersmith.
1983-03-25 - Glasgow FM [Radio Clyde]
1983-04-10 - Lyceum, London FM [Capital Radio]
1983-04-11 - Bath FM [King Biscuit]
1983-04-18 - Hammersmith Odeon, London FM [BBC]
1983-05-12 - Cologne,Germany soundboard [Rockpalast TV broadcast]
1983-05-14 - Rotterdam FM
1983-05-19 - Paris FM
1985 - Manchester FM [King Biscuit]
1985-04-24 - Rotterdam FM
1985-05-xx - Toronto FM [King Biscuit. Promo LP and CD versions exist]
1985-09-14 - Dallas, TexasFM [Westwood One. Various LP versions]
1990-02-12 - Cleveland Soundboard
1990-02-18 - East Rutherford Soundboard
1990-05-26 - Santa Barbara FM
1990-06-30 - Knebworth FM
1995-12-07 - San Francisco (KFOG)
1996-04-11 - Miami (MP3) Soundboard
1996-04-29 - Minneapolis (3 tracks) Soundboard
1996-06-15 - London FM
1996-07-03 - Sao Paulo (MTV, mediocre quality) Soundboard
1996-07-11 - Santiago (MP3, first 3 songs missing) FM
2007-06-22 - Paris FM
2015-06-12 - Manchester,TN USA [Webcast]
2017-10-26 - BBC Radio Theatre London FM [also on TV]
2017-09-22 - Rio, Brazil Soundboard [from TV broadcast]
Official video concerts:
Scenes From The Big Chair
In My Minds Eye (1983, released 1984)
Going To California (1990)
Secret World Live In Paris (2005, released 2006)
Official live albums:
Secret World Live In Paris (2005, released 2006)
Live At Massey Hall LP/CD (2021)
Official live tracks:
Ideas As Opiates 3.52 (Peel Session 1 Sep 1982)
Suffer the Children 4.04 (Peel Session 1 Sep 1982)
The Prisoner 2.53 (Peel Session 1 Sep 1982)
The Hurting 3.49 (Peel Session 1 Sep 1982)
Memories Fade 4.54 (David Jensen BBC Session 20 Oct 1982)
The Prisoner 2.47
Start of the Breakdown 3.59 (David Jensen BBC Session 20 Oct 1982)
The Hurting 3.50 (David Jensen BBC Session 20 Oct 1982)
Start of the Breakdown 5.55 (Live 8 April 1983 at Oxford Apollo)
Change 4.58 (Live 8 April 1983 at Oxford Apollo)
Head Over Heels (BBC Richard Skinner Session 7 July 1984) 4.16
The Working Hour (BBC Richard Skinner Session 7 July 1984) 6.08
Broken (BBC Richard Skinner Session 7 July 1984) 3.19
Mothers Talk (Live 30 May 1985 at Massey Hall, Toronto, Canada) 4.05
Broken/Head Over Heels (Live 30 May 1985 at Massey Hall, Toronto, Canada) 7.32 [mastered from mint vinyl]
Memories Fade (Live 30 May 1985 at Massey Hall, Toronto, Canada) 5.11 [mastered from mint vinyl]
The Working Hour (Live 30 May 1985 at Massey Hall, Toronto, Canada) 6.52
Everybody Wants to Rule the World (Live 30 May 1985 at Massey Hall, Toronto, Canada) 4.19 [mastered from mint vinyl]
Shout (Live 30 May 1985 at Massey Hall, Toronto, Canada) 7.49
Dog's a Best Friend's Dog (Live 14 Dec 1993 at Wembley Arena) 3.49
Elemental (Live 14 Dec 1993 at Wembley Arena) 5.33
Creep (live 1996)
Mad World (slow version, live 2004/2005)
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Post by iveivan on Jun 12, 2021 17:44:12 GMT
I managed to get a copy of the RSD release on vinyl from my nearest record shop that’s a few towns away. I was lucky as it was their last copy.
Was good to browse around. Didn’t get any more records but I did pick up some things from other shops. Hopefully, RSD has helped record shops and town centres everywhere.
Listening to the album now and enjoying it. For a tour that they have derided for having taped backing tracks, the songs are quite different to the original album versions.
The only misstep on the setlist for me is The Prisoner. I wish they had played The Way You Are or Watch Me Bleed instead. Shame Suffer the Children and Change had damaged tapes and couldn’t have been included on this album. I’d have been ok if they had versions of them from another date.
I see there are still a few copies to buy online, now the shops have closed. I’m sure they will be gone soon.
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Post by Jules on Jun 13, 2021 14:41:15 GMT
Here is a list of known non audience sourced live recordings. Please note I don't have all of these and some exist only in archives: Regarding Manchester 85. There is an audience recording from Manchester which is different from the broadcast. So it's either from the second Manchester date or not Manchester at all. Wolfgang's Vault, which has the archives of King Biscuit, lists the venue as Hammersmith. This information will duly end up on another thread. |
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Post by iveivan on Jun 13, 2021 17:42:54 GMT
Were Change and Suffer the Children really the encores for Massey Hall? Very odd choice, if so.
From setlist.com, they reordered the songs a lot over the tour but not sure how reliable that is. I don’t see that particular combination as the encore.
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Post by Jules on Jun 14, 2021 7:46:16 GMT
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Post by iveivan on Jun 14, 2021 9:16:48 GMT
Yes, from what they have said, it makes more sense that the setlist was the same every date. A lot of what is on setlist.com must be from people’s bad memories from decades ago. I could make something up for the date I was at (and dates I was not at).
So, I’m convinced they were the last songs. Odd choice for them at that point but they never liked to follow expectations.
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Post by Jules on Jun 14, 2021 16:10:41 GMT
It's not that different from the late 1983 setlist (In My Mind's Eye) really - Change as the last tune, and Suffer the Children close to the end, though not quite as late as 1985.
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Post by iveivan on Jun 14, 2021 17:10:46 GMT
It's not that different from the late 1983 setlist (In My Mind's Eye) really - Change as the last tune, and Suffer the Children close to the end, though not quite as late as 1985. Makes sense for that tour but when you have huge new hits like Everybody and Shout, you’d think you’d save one or the other for the encore. |
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Post by Jules on Jun 14, 2021 18:11:10 GMT
Getting into nitpick territory but when the tour started, EWTRTW was not a big hit yet  www.officialcharts.com/search/singles/everybody-wants-to-rule-the-world/Setlists are a funny thing anyway. The last concert I saw before lockdown was Saga - and the first encore was "I'm Back", a song the band had only played a handful of times before, a song that's on none of their compilations, and a song that no "casual fan" would know. It went down an absolute storm though and has since become a regular earworm for me. (I moved the posts to this thread because it seemed to fit the topic better...) |
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Post by Jules on Jun 15, 2021 19:50:29 GMT
The first article says that a wider release is expected, so hopefully no extorting on eBay. I assume that a wider release would have different cover art or other differences, so scalpers will take a chance on collectors anyway. But I hope the music will be available in some easily obtainable form. According to Steve Hammonds, the CD will be exactly the same as the RSD release! |
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The programme in the box was made for the second leg of the tour, which included two new musicians (Alan Griffiths and Josephine Wells).
