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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 21:27:00 GMT
Good old Theresa, what a great job she is doing. Sticking to her guns and pushing forward with what the British people voted for in true democratic style
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Post by Jules on Mar 8, 2017 20:05:30 GMT
Good old Theresa, what a great job she is doing. Sticking to her guns and pushing forward with what the British people voted for in true democratic style I think I'll refrain from saying what I feel
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 21:45:02 GMT
Good old Theresa, what a great job she is doing. Sticking to her guns and pushing forward with what the British people voted for in true democratic style I think I'll refrain from saying what I feel Why? Do you have a problem with free speech and democracy?
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Post by Jules on Jun 20, 2017 17:57:25 GMT
I think I'll refrain from saying what I feel Why? Do you have a problem with free speech and democracy? If I had a problem with free speech, I'd have banned you! No seriously, I don't really know enough about British politics to make a qualified comment but she's a bit of an icicle, don't you think? There was that other woman that Roland wrote a line about, "Politician granny with your high ideals have you no idea how the majority feels", and May reminds me of her...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 19:38:07 GMT
Why? Do you have a problem with free speech and democracy? If I had a problem with free speech, I'd have banned you! No seriously, I don't really know enough about British politics to make a qualified comment but she's a bit of an icicle, don't you think? There was that other woman that Roland wrote a line about, "Politician granny with your high ideals have you no idea how the majority feels", and May reminds me of her... May has shown determination to push ahead with Brexit because the majority voted for it, unlike others demanding another vote because they cannot accept it.
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Post by Jules on Jul 3, 2017 10:12:01 GMT
If I had a problem with free speech, I'd have banned you! No seriously, I don't really know enough about British politics to make a qualified comment but she's a bit of an icicle, don't you think? There was that other woman that Roland wrote a line about, "Politician granny with your high ideals have you no idea how the majority feels", and May reminds me of her... May has shown determination to push ahead with Brexit because the majority voted for it, unlike others demanding another vote because they cannot accept it. So explain to me, then, why her election ploy didn't work out at all well? Obviously she's not the country's darling. And, as with the presidential elections in the US or Austria, one can argue that majorities can be very arbitrary. I'm personally not happy if I am part of a 49% minority that gets overruled by a 51% majority...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 20:49:59 GMT
May has shown determination to push ahead with Brexit because the majority voted for it, unlike others demanding another vote because they cannot accept it. So explain to me, then, why her election ploy didn't work out at all well? Obviously she's not the country's darling. And, as with the presidential elections in the US or Austria, one can argue that majorities can be very arbitrary. I'm personally not happy if I am part of a 49% minority that gets overruled by a 51% majority...She was against Brexit prior to the vote, she became pro after the vote stating it was the governments duty to take forward the will of the British people and the democratic system. Many saw this as a U turn. She done a couple of u turns on her mandate that were unpopular with the voter, so got a U Turn reputation. It depends how you look at it. I see it as having a will to listen to the people and find compromise. That surely has to be a good quality of a leader of a democratic state. It was 48 - 52
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Post by Jules on Jul 11, 2017 20:19:07 GMT
So explain to me, then, why her election ploy didn't work out at all well? Obviously she's not the country's darling. And, as with the presidential elections in the US or Austria, one can argue that majorities can be very arbitrary. I'm personally not happy if I am part of a 49% minority that gets overruled by a 51% majority...She was against Brexit prior to the vote, she became pro after the vote stating it was the governments duty to take forward the will of the British people and the democratic system. Many saw this as a U turn. She done a couple of u turns on her mandate that were unpopular with the voter, so got a U Turn reputation. It depends how you look at it. I see it as having a will to listen to the people and find compromise. That surely has to be a good quality of a leader of a democratic state. It was 48 - 52 I hadn't memorized the exact values, also that 49/51 split was a general comment on Brexit/those presidential elections/the Turkish referendum, simply meaning very close results that don't really qualify to represent a proper "majority" unless over 90% of the voting folk actually take part. I appreciate politicians listening to the people, but the whole Brexit campaign was unfortunate in pretty much every aspect IMO. But it's an endless topic...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 20:43:02 GMT
She was against Brexit prior to the vote, she became pro after the vote stating it was the governments duty to take forward the will of the British people and the democratic system. Many saw this as a U turn. She done a couple of u turns on her mandate that were unpopular with the voter, so got a U Turn reputation. It depends how you look at it. I see it as having a will to listen to the people and find compromise. That surely has to be a good quality of a leader of a democratic state. It was 48 - 52 I hadn't memorized the exact values, also that 49/51 split was a general comment on Brexit/those presidential elections/the Turkish referendum, simply meaning very close results that don't really qualify to represent a proper "majority" unless over 90% of the voting folk actually take part. I appreciate politicians listening to the people, but the whole Brexit campaign was unfortunate in pretty much every aspect IMO. But it's an endless topic... No! British folk voted for Brexit in the main to get immigration under control. Your lot took a very different view and pay the price.
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Post by Jules on Jul 12, 2017 9:17:32 GMT
I hadn't memorized the exact values, also that 49/51 split was a general comment on Brexit/those presidential elections/the Turkish referendum, simply meaning very close results that don't really qualify to represent a proper "majority" unless over 90% of the voting folk actually take part. I appreciate politicians listening to the people, but the whole Brexit campaign was unfortunate in pretty much every aspect IMO. But it's an endless topic... No! British folk voted for Brexit in the main to get immigration under control. Your lot took a very different view and pay the price. I don't think it's very democratic to instill fear (of others!) within people. A lot of the "facts" the pro-Brexit fraction used were hearsay and/or false. And who has profited from Brexit so far? Cameron didn't want it but thought he could somehow use the referendum for his own goals. It was a case of the apprentice calling ghosts he couldn't control, at least that's how I see it. A play with fire. Yes, we have our own issues here with nationalism rearing its ugly head every now and then. But you know, other countries have far more immigration problems and they don't complain... first world problems IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 18:22:23 GMT
No! British folk voted for Brexit in the main to get immigration under control. Your lot took a very different view and pay the price. I don't think it's very democratic to instill fear (of others!) within people. A lot of the "facts" the pro-Brexit fraction used were hearsay and/or false. And who has profited from Brexit so far? Cameron didn't want it but thought he could somehow use the referendum for his own goals. It was a case of the apprentice calling ghosts he couldn't control, at least that's how I see it. A play with fire. Yes, we have our own issues here with nationalism rearing its ugly head every now and then. But you know, other countries have far more immigration problems and they don't complain... first world problems IMO. The people of a country have a right and a duty to protect their country, it's borders and the people within just as a housekeeper has a right and duty to protect their home, their land and their family. It really is that simple.
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Post by Jules on Aug 24, 2017 9:19:30 GMT
I don't think it's very democratic to instill fear (of others!) within people. A lot of the "facts" the pro-Brexit fraction used were hearsay and/or false. And who has profited from Brexit so far? Cameron didn't want it but thought he could somehow use the referendum for his own goals. It was a case of the apprentice calling ghosts he couldn't control, at least that's how I see it. A play with fire. Yes, we have our own issues here with nationalism rearing its ugly head every now and then. But you know, other countries have far more immigration problems and they don't complain... first world problems IMO. The people of a country have a right and a duty to protect their country, it's borders and the people within just as a housekeeper has a right and duty to protect their home, their land and their family. It really is that simple. No it isn't! The politicians of a country (or a country that belongs to certain federations) also have the duty to deal with the results of their politics in other countries. And then there's the 1951 Refugee Convention. You're insinuating that all immigrants are a threat, which is ludicrous and discriminating. The times of isolation are over and they can't be brought back. Simple answers won't answer complex questions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 0:17:40 GMT
The people of a country have a right and a duty to protect their country, it's borders and the people within just as a housekeeper has a right and duty to protect their home, their land and their family. It really is that simple. No it isn't! The politicians of a country (or a country that belongs to certain federations) also have the duty to deal with the results of their politics in other countries. And then there's the 1951 Refugee Convention. You're insinuating that all immigrants are a threat, which is ludicrous and discriminating. The times of isolation are over and they can't be brought back. Simple answers won't answer complex questions. No I am not! and your inference that I am is insulting. I am a believer in social inclusion and I am recognised by people who know me as a great promoter of this, especially in the work place where I benefit from the rewards of a loyal and driven work force who in turn benefit from my beliefs and working practices and attitude towards them regardless of race, creed or gender. You really couldn't be more wrong!
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Post by Jules on Sept 6, 2017 8:23:56 GMT
No it isn't! The politicians of a country (or a country that belongs to certain federations) also have the duty to deal with the results of their politics in other countries. And then there's the 1951 Refugee Convention. You're insinuating that all immigrants are a threat, which is ludicrous and discriminating. The times of isolation are over and they can't be brought back. Simple answers won't answer complex questions. No I am not! and your inference that I am is insulting. I am a believer in social inclusion and I am recognised by people who know me as a great promoter of this, especially in the work place where I benefit from the rewards of a loyal and driven work force who in turn benefit from my beliefs and working practices and attitude towards them regardless of race, creed or gender. You really couldn't be more wrong! Well, show it in your posts or I won't recognize it. Your "housekeeper" reference does insinuate (to me at least) that all immigration is a threat, hence my reply. I also never said you are racist, but that your statement doesn't differentiate itself from those who are (and who ran the Brexit campaign by appealing to the xenophobic traits among the population). No comment about the horrible results of Western interventionism and the illegal invasion of Iraq in particular, why am I not surprised?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 20:21:25 GMT
No I am not! and your inference that I am is insulting. I am a believer in social inclusion and I am recognised by people who know me as a great promoter of this, especially in the work place where I benefit from the rewards of a loyal and driven work force who in turn benefit from my beliefs and working practices and attitude towards them regardless of race, creed or gender. You really couldn't be more wrong! Well, show it in your posts or I won't recognize it. Your "housekeeper" reference does insinuate (to me at least) that all immigration is a threat, hence my reply.I also never said you are racist, but that your statement doesn't differentiate itself from those who are (and who ran the Brexit campaign by appealing to the xenophobic traits among the population). No comment about the horrible results of Western interventionism and the illegal invasion of Iraq in particular, why am I not surprised? Yer a***, that would be to say that I was suggesting a housekeeper would never invite guests into his home! But they don't invite strangers without some form of reassurance do they? As for no comments about illegal invasions, from a young age I was taught to suppress thoughts or comments about human atrocities. I was 11 years old and we had a school cruise to Hamburg and Amsterdam. We were no sooner of the ship in Hamburg when me and a couple of school mates decided it a good idea to do a few Hi Hitlers to passers by. Our tutors made us pay for that. Well the feckers shouldn't have taught us about it in the first place was how we saw it at the time.
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