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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 13:02:34 GMT
No! British folk voted for Brexit in the main to get immigration under control. Your lot took a very different view and pay the price. I don't think it's very democratic to instill fear (of others!) within people. A lot of the "facts" the pro-Brexit fraction used were hearsay and/or false. And who has profited from Brexit so far? Cameron didn't want it but thought he could somehow use the referendum for his own goals. It was a case of the apprentice calling ghosts he couldn't control, at least that's how I see it. A play with fire. Yes, we have our own issues here with nationalism rearing its ugly head every now and then. But you know, other countries have far more immigration problems and they don't complain... first world problems IMO. It would appear many of your country folk disagree with you
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Post by Jules on Oct 4, 2017 8:57:04 GMT
I don't think it's very democratic to instill fear (of others!) within people. A lot of the "facts" the pro-Brexit fraction used were hearsay and/or false. And who has profited from Brexit so far? Cameron didn't want it but thought he could somehow use the referendum for his own goals. It was a case of the apprentice calling ghosts he couldn't control, at least that's how I see it. A play with fire. Yes, we have our own issues here with nationalism rearing its ugly head every now and then. But you know, other countries have far more immigration problems and they don't complain... first world problems IMO. It would appear many of your country folk disagree with you Those who demonstrate against "Islamisation" are those who live in parts of Germany where there's the least percentage of Muslims. And like Brexit, the AfD is running their campaign by playing on people's fears. I'm not happy about that at all, but even with the unfortunate election results that's still just about 1/8 of people who participated in the election. Far from a majority. And yet, these idiots have the nerve to say "We're going to reclaim our country"? Nobody ever took it away from you! The anti-Muslim rhetoric dangerously resembles anti-Semitic rhethoric that we should all have learned a lot from. I really hope that this nonsense goes away soon...
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Post by Jules on Oct 4, 2017 9:10:00 GMT
Well, show it in your posts or I won't recognize it. Your "housekeeper" reference does insinuate (to me at least) that all immigration is a threat, hence my reply.I also never said you are racist, but that your statement doesn't differentiate itself from those who are (and who ran the Brexit campaign by appealing to the xenophobic traits among the population). No comment about the horrible results of Western interventionism and the illegal invasion of Iraq in particular, why am I not surprised? Yer a***, that would be to say that I was suggesting a housekeeper would never invite guests into his home! But they don't invite strangers without some form of reassurance do they? As for no comments about illegal invasions, from a young age I was taught to suppress thoughts or comments about human atrocities. I was 11 years old and we had a school cruise to Hamburg and Amsterdam. We were no sooner of the ship in Hamburg when me and a couple of school mates decided it a good idea to do a few Hi Hitlers to passers by. Our tutors made us pay for that. Well the feckers shouldn't have taught us about it in the first place was how we saw it at the time. But today you see it differently, I hope? 'Cause after all, you learn about things either way. I remember some kids in school already knowing about concentration camps long before we ever heard a word about them from our teachers. And I'd rather have the teachers properly teach children about crimes against humanity committed than live with the possibility that those atrocities get glorified. There are too many conspiracy theories out there already in these postfactic times. My stance is that one can only prevent something like the Holocaust happening again by holding up the memory of those who were tortured or killed, analysing how it actually came about and ensuring that human rights and basic values never get forgotten about. The problem I had with the "housekeeper" statement is that I was immediately picturing in my mind a housekeeper that would rather watch somebody get killed in front of his window than try and help the one in need. That's the attitude that annoys me. Yes, of course we somehow have to keep the murderer out. And how we can separate those who are in danger from those who are dangerous is the #1 problem. But stirring up hatred against everything alien, shutting down the borders to let other countries that are already completely overrun deal with the problem can't be the solution, can it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 21:59:02 GMT
Yer a***, that would be to say that I was suggesting a housekeeper would never invite guests into his home! But they don't invite strangers without some form of reassurance do they? As for no comments about illegal invasions, from a young age I was taught to suppress thoughts or comments about human atrocities. I was 11 years old and we had a school cruise to Hamburg and Amsterdam. We were no sooner of the ship in Hamburg when me and a couple of school mates decided it a good idea to do a few Hi Hitlers to passers by. Our tutors made us pay for that. Well the feckers shouldn't have taught us about it in the first place was how we saw it at the time. But today you see it differently, I hope? 'Cause after all, you learn about things either way. I remember some kids in school already knowing about concentration camps long before we ever heard a word about them from our teachers. And I'd rather have the teachers properly teach children about crimes against humanity committed than live with the possibility that those atrocities get glorified. There are too many conspiracy theories out there already in these postfactic times. My stance is that one can only prevent something like the Holocaust happening again by holding up the memory of those who were tortured or killed, analysing how it actually came about and ensuring that human rights and basic values never get forgotten about. The problem I had with the "housekeeper" statement is that I was immediately picturing in my mind a housekeeper that would rather watch somebody get killed in front of his window than try and help the one in need. That's the attitude that annoys me. Yes, of course we somehow have to keep the murderer out. And how we can separate those who are in danger from those who are dangerous is the #1 problem. But stirring up hatred against everything alien, shutting down the borders to let other countries that are already completely overrun deal with the problem can't be the solution, can it? Breeding like rabbits and totally fleecing our benefits and health care services!
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Post by Jules on Oct 11, 2017 18:52:07 GMT
But today you see it differently, I hope? 'Cause after all, you learn about things either way. I remember some kids in school already knowing about concentration camps long before we ever heard a word about them from our teachers. And I'd rather have the teachers properly teach children about crimes against humanity committed than live with the possibility that those atrocities get glorified. There are too many conspiracy theories out there already in these postfactic times. My stance is that one can only prevent something like the Holocaust happening again by holding up the memory of those who were tortured or killed, analysing how it actually came about and ensuring that human rights and basic values never get forgotten about. The problem I had with the "housekeeper" statement is that I was immediately picturing in my mind a housekeeper that would rather watch somebody get killed in front of his window than try and help the one in need. That's the attitude that annoys me. Yes, of course we somehow have to keep the murderer out. And how we can separate those who are in danger from those who are dangerous is the #1 problem. But stirring up hatred against everything alien, shutting down the borders to let other countries that are already completely overrun deal with the problem can't be the solution, can it? Breeding like rabbits and totally fleecing our benefits and health care services! And you got irritated when I accused you of bordering on mildly racist choice of words... I think I'd better stop replying to your posts until you've learned to paint with less broad brushes and with more respect for other people as individuums like you and me.
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Post by Jules on Oct 23, 2017 14:27:21 GMT
Since rockinon has left the board for the moment (of his own accord, I may add - I didn't force him, just expressed my opinion and my reluctance to continue THIS discussion), it might be best to close this thread. If anybody wants to revive the discussion, please PM me.
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